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Dr. Stoll,
Do you feel that the 3LS is the cure for most thyroid conditions? If someone's thyroid blood levels are low, would you prescribe thyroid medication, or would you prescribe the 3LS first, or both thyroid medication and 3LS?
Sapphire
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Sapphire [543.4205] on February 17, 2008 at 19:54:46:
these may help; I know when I have had clients with low thyroid (as
opposed to high which doesn't respond as well) it DOES help them
(yoga) greatly. In fact, two in the past three years have gone off meds
and they felt it was directly related to yoga. Hope these help.
http://yoga2ayurveda4healing.googlepages.com/thyroid-
hypothyroidism-cure-yoga
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/yogathyroid/
http://www.kundaliniyogablog.com/-2007-02-18-thyroid-disease-
kundalini-yoga-as-preventative-maintenance/
http://www.sunandmoonstudio.com/YogaArticle/
StressedThyroid.shtml
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Sapphire [543.4205] on February 17, 2008 at 19:54:46:
Yes, Sapphire.
The idea is to start the 3LS at once and take the thyroid medication for a stopgap until the 3LS begins working (about a year).
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Walt Stoll [93.1903] on February 18, 2008 at 07:40:21:
Hi Doc,
What about emotional patterns in the meridians? I think that some
people, like myself, follow the 3LS but still have these deep physical
patterns that need breaking down energetically to allow the flow. I
followed the 3LS for years, but it didn't get to the deepest issues,
which have been holding my existance as prisoner.
Just wanted to add this, because I think it is really an important part
of the picture for a lot of folks.
dd
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by dd [11114.4418] on February 18, 2008 at 14:33:16:
Hi dd,
I agree with you that the emotional aspect of physical health is a very valid concept or issue for many, many people. Not just emotional patterns in the meridians, but cellular memory of physical or emotional trauma in organs or tissues, physical responses to certain stimuli that become entrenched in the brain (like the animations in the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know"), and even the choices we make unconsciously because that's what our biochemistry tells us to do in response to a biochemical need ("What the Bleep", again).
It takes a lot of conscious effort to become aware of these patterns or misfirings and even more effort to begin to make changes to them. I understand and respect that some people don't believe that or are just not *into that stuff* for themselves, but it's really true that you can't separate the body, mind, and spirit into three separate pieces and discount everything but the body!
The thyroid is in the area of the throat chakra, which governs communication. I'm not saying this is absolutely true for you, or me, or anyone else, but I think it's very common for people who at some point in their lives have been unwilling or unable to express themselves freely due to circumstances (abuse, fear of making a mistake, overcritical parents, overbearing teacher or boss, etc.) to have problems with the thyroid or other structures in this area of their body.
I also believe that undiagnosed or hidden/stealth infections can play a huge role in thyroid issues, and many other health problems as well.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Nutmeg [4785.74] on February 18, 2008 at 15:31:33:
well said! Just one question, as I am new to this..aren't the emotional
patterns in the meridians what cause:
"but cellular memory of physical or emotional trauma in organs or
tissues, physical responses to certain stimuli that become
entrenched in the brain (like the animations in the movie "What the
Bleep Do We Know"), and even the choices we make unconsciously
because that's what our biochemistry tells us to do in response to a
biochemical need ("What the Bleep", again)."
I would like to better understand..:-)
dd
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Nutmeg [4785.74] on February 18, 2008 at 15:31:33:
So, so true, Nutmeg. I have been working on this aspect of health for a while now. For me, the emotional and pschological issues have been there for me since I was little, which, of course, is true for everyone. I've been remembering all the destructive family patterns which are so truly reflected in my overall health, both mental and physical. I believe I am an extreme case and for that reason, have been so slow and uneven in my getting better.
I do believe in cellular memory because I can feel it. Recognizing the memories and damage is a first step. The harder part is constant vigilance in order to change all that. It's very hard, especially if you are having a bad day or days. One week I'll do well and then boom! I'll lose my concentration.
Well, sorry to ramble. Just wanted to confirm my own experience of what you are saying.
All the best,
Naya
P. S. Just curious. Have you been checked for stealth infection and if so, how. You might have seen my post on my Graves' eye disease. Thanks!
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Walt Stoll [93.1903] on February 18, 2008 at 07:40:21:
Dr. Stoll, In your practice, did you have a preference between Armour Thyroid and the synthetics? I recall you saying the Armour has proteins which can be allergenic, and also I've read that this allergy to the proteins can cause Thyroid Eye Disease.
Sapphire
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Michele [3355.4192] on February 17, 2008 at 21:18:55:
Michele, Thanks so much for those links, they are very helpful.
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by dd [11114.4418] on February 18, 2008 at 14:33:16:
Hi dd,
I agree, that is why we included the chapter on mind/emotions/spirit in Recapture Your Health. That's the thing about holistic health -- can't overlook anything!
In my case, I did all the emotional stuff first, and didn't get better physically. It took doing the 3LS for me to start regaining my physical health.
I think a combination of both (physical and emotional) are necessary for ultimately healing most chronic problems, but some people get better with one or the other.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [291.4453] on February 18, 2008 at 20:21:20:
Hi Jan,
Thanks. I would imagine it really has to do with what type of spirit
you are to begin with, how advanced you are, what happened to you,
and if you suffered really bad abuse or not. For me, I have tried
things separately for years. This is the first time that I have put all of
it together at the same time. I am finally having some movement.
Finally....
dd
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by dd [11114.4418] on February 18, 2008 at 22:07:09:
Great, dd.
I'm rooting for you. Sometimes it seems to take a long time to find all the puzzle pieces that bring a more complete healing..... sounds like you're making great strides!
Congratulations!
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Sapphire [543.4205] on February 18, 2008 at 20:11:59:
Also, if you take thyroid medication as a stop gap, along with the 3LS, how do you know when to stop taking the medication?
Sapphire
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by dd [11114.4418] on February 18, 2008 at 16:41:36:
Hi dd,
Beats me...LOL!
I'm actually not familiar with the concept of emotional patterns in the meridians that you mentioned. The acupuncturists I've been to were not that good! Do you have a good link where I can read about that?
What I know of meridians is that their purpose is to serve as the pathway for the flow of Qi through the body, sort of the next layer up from organs, tissues, and glands. I learned High Touch, a form of acupressure, a few years ago, and in that we worked on restoring the flow of Qi through the meridians by feeling the pulse in certain acupressure/acupuncture points. We used the terminology of Chinese medicine, where a liver flow was not specific to the liver organ itself, but to the liver meridian. At one point I knew where the liver meridian went, but I've forgotten. Are these the same meridians you are talking about?
It sounds to me like blockages in the meridians can definitely cause the things I listed, but there might be other causes as well. There might be a long-term blockage/barrier to healing, like a deep childhood trauma, or just a temporary interruption from something that happened that day, like being reprimanded unfairly at work. Or maybe the person was feeling overwhelmed and tired that day, and experienced a shut-down of their chakras, so they just needed to have them re-started in order to feel better.
I think cellular memory can occur at any level/layer in the body. Muscles, organs, connective tissue, fascia, etc. can all retain cellular memory, as can the brain at the neurotransmitter/receptor level. These changes/reactions are said to originate in the DNA structure of the cells and to go up the hierarchy of the body from there, manifesting at any level.
An old injury that was caused by a physical/emotional trauma (like being physically abused by a family member) can flare up when we are exposed to a similar situation because the biochemical reaction in the body is repeated. For example, an old sore jaw can be reawakened when we hear an argument on a TV program, or see a neighbor taking a playful swing at his spouse, or even walk through the room when a boxing match is on TV. This results in emotional re-wounding, and a physical reactivation of pain at the injury site. Emotional re-wounding can even have the same impact of the original trauma if we have not processed the trauma out of our system. No wonder we sometimes take two steps forward and one step back in our healing!
When we have old physical injuries like this, with a heavy emotional component, they tend to become weaknesses and subject to additional damage. Like a person who's been socked in the jaw by a loved one might go on to easily develop TMJ problems later in life, because that is a weak spot, a place where they carry stress, and maintain a cellular memory of the original injury. If the person just stuffs the emotions associated with the injury, rather than processing them, they might even be subject to more injuries later...almost as if they are attracting them in order to draw attention to the original trauma so it can finally be cleared. So, they might get hit in the jaw with a basketball one day years later, or develop even more degeneration in the TMJ, despite treatment. Yes, there is physical damage and weakness that makes one subject to more injury and degradation, but there is also a metaphysical or body/mind/spirit component. Not everyone believes this, so that's OK too.
And then there's the concept of past lives--that we sometimes carry old issues from past lives into this life with us in order to clear them. Of course that doesn't fit everyone's beliefs either, but it's something to consider.
I feel like I'm rambling a bit, so I think I'll stop now! Hope this makes some sense to you, dd.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Naya [10569.14] on February 18, 2008 at 18:22:36:
Hi Naya,
Yes, I think for some of us, it's doubly hard. My childhood had a lot of unpleasantries, but wasn't horrible (I had way worse experiences in adulthood over a very short period of time), but as it turns out I was/am extremely sensitive to emotional and physical traumas. To look at me, you'd think I'm extremely sturdy, but things aren't always as they seem. :) That seems to be changing a bit now.
Feeling cellular memories and recognizing them for what they are is extremely powerful. Hold on to that! It is so easy to slip back into old patterns when you have a tough day (or month, or year), but as long as you keep moving forward, you will be successful eventually. Sooner rather than later is preferable, though!
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences on this topic, Naya. I hope and pray you find a way to heal your thyroid, digestive system, and everything else completely. I look forward to the day when my thyroid and other systems behave better, too! Never give up hope that it will happen!
As far as stealth pathogens go, I decided to go down the path of presumed Lyme disease and other related or opportunistic infections as the underlying cause of the arthritis, bronchitis, pain, and structural problems, etc. We've done some testing, but it is a crap shoot because it's very hard to find some of the low-yield bugs in order to grow them, and of course, it's expensive. I also do some intuitive work and get a lot of information through muscle testing with one of my doctors. Although I am fairly functional, I'm way sicker than I should be for what shows up on tests, so the only logical explanation is that there is more going on than what I test positive for in the lab. The emotional component is there too, so I continue to work on that in a big way. I'm also doing some work with my immune system, to get it working better, and getting some pain relief and improved function with a new device my chiropractor has. I'm learning a lot every day.
Keep moving forward, Naya!
Take care,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by dd [11114.4418] on February 18, 2008 at 14:33:16:
Of course, dd.
The reason I have focused on the 3LS to start is because it adds horsepower to those who need the emotional and spiritual aspects of wellness without further complicating the journey for those who need that. It IS possible for one to start with the emotional or spiritual aspects but the keys to entering those realms is vastly more complex and reliably requires higher horsepower to access.
In my personal and professional experience, adherance to the 3LS INEVITABLY produces an awareness and interest in the spiritual and emotional aspects of ANY chronic illness.
Hope this helps. Listen to Jan.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Sapphire [543.4205] on February 18, 2008 at 20:11:59:
Sapphire,
I prefer the Armour for long term support, IF the patient will practice the 3LS that support rarely is necessary longer than a year or so. It IS a lot more difficult for the doc to prescribe and maintain surveilance of this substance which is one reason most docs will not bother.
The allergy problem can be a concern (rarely) but any competent doc can recognize it early and switch off. If the patient is willing to put in the effort (3LS) the doc will not have to manage this for very long anyhow.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions posted by Sapphire [543.4205] on February 17, 2008 at 19:54:46:
I'm with Doc Stoll. I was hyperthyroid w/Graves when I started the 3LS. I took thyroid med (PTU) the first year, then my thyroid #s normalized, just like the Doc said they would.
In Reply to: is the 3LS the cure to most thyroid conditions? Archive in wellness. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1903] on February 19, 2008 at 06:53:04:
Thanks Walt, I understand.
dd
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